Gore for same-sex marriage - m.

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[Gary]

Shame on Gore. He is an unbeliever pretending to be a Christian. In other words, a hypocrite.

[streak]

Once again, Gary, this is completely out of left field. Who would have thought that you consider anyone who disagrees with you to not be a Christian?

[Gary]

Streak,

When someone claims to be a follower of Jesus, and then advocates things that God condemns, it seems reasonable to me to doubt the sincerity of their claim of faith. "by their fruits ye shall know them."

[streak]

Yeah, but that verse could also apply to someone who so clearly hates so many people. You know, like you. Your fruit is hatred. What does that say about you?

[Gary]

Streak,

Why do you classify my opposition to wickedness and unbelief and hypocrisy as hatred? You disagree with me and oppose me on most things, but I don't recall ever accusing you of hating me.

[streak]

True, but you clearly hate gays. Don't you? I believe you have admitted as such in previous posts.

[paulf]

Gary is right, let's bring back Biblical marriage.

That makes polygamy legal.

When women are widowed and are childless, let's force them to marry their brother-in-laws!

As far as divorce, I'm a bit fuzzy. Do we let men file for divorce by simply writing a letter, and dispense with alimony? Or do we forbid it altogether?

Such tough questions. But I bet Gary knows the answers. Go Gary! Lay on us the mind of YHWH!

Wheeee!

[Gary]

Streak,

I don't know if I've ever said that in a post here. Can you cite a reference? Anyway, why does it matter?

[Gary]

paulf,

From your comments, I assume you make your own rules as you go along, and don't care what God may think about what you do.

[streak]

Can you cite a reference? Anyway, why does it matter?

Why does it matter? If you hate Gays? Perhaps you need to rethink that "known by their fruits" argument.

Why are Paul's questions out of line? You posit that you know what God's law is, but you are selective in those OT and NT mandates that you follow or demand that others follow. That seems like a legitimate question.

[Gary]

Streak,

If I hate homosexuals, that might be a problem between me and God, but it has no affect on the sodomites. I don't mistreat them, so if I hate them, they wouldn't know it. And, if I hate them, it does not change the fact that their sin is going to result in their damnation.

There is nothing at all wrong with my oppostion to their behavior or their agenda. God opposes their behavior and their agenda, and that is the sole reason I oppose them.

paulf isn't really asking questions. He's making statements in the form of questions. I have no interest in playing his cynical games.

[streak]

So as long as you don't tell them you hate them, it is ok? Your hatred is not a sin?

Do you ever think that your interpretation is incredibly self-serving? Does your faith ask you to do something you don't do easily? You easily dislike gays. You easily dismiss anyone who is your enemy (even though the Bible commands you to love them). Yet you have interpreted those passages away so that you really don't have to do those things.

[Gary]

Streak,

As I said in my last post, if I hate homosexuals, it might only be a problem between me and God. I don't express any hatred toward them. Disagreeing with them isn't hatred. Trying to limit legal marriage to heterosexuals isn't hatred. Opposing civil unions isn't hatred. In fact, my opposition to them is a far greater act of love than defending them is. Warning them of the consequences of their sin is helping them, or at least trying to. Defending them and telling them that they are fine the way they are is harming them.

[streak]

But if you hate them in your heart, that is sin, right? If you don't love your enemies, that is sin too, right?

[Gary]

O.K. And your point is?

[streak]

Ok. Never mind. I guess it is ok when you sin. You just have a problem with other people's sin.

[paulf]

Isn't calling someone a "sodomite" evidence of hatred? One would think that reduces them to the status of a subhuman who was wiped out in a hail of fire by a loving God.

So Gary, I'm making a statement by asking questions? What, that I support polygamy?

Asking questons means I make my own rules? Wha...?

You just don't want to answer questions that demonstrate how little you have thought about any of this.

[Gary]

Streak,

That's what I thought your point would be.

One big difference between me and you and the sodomites is that I am not trying to win acceptance for the sins that I commit. I'm not pretending that my sins aren't really sins at all. I'm not pretending that "God made me this way, so He must approve."

Can you see the difference?

[Gary]

paulf,

If calling them sodomites is evidence of hatred, then God must hate them, because that is what He called them.

Yes, you do want to make your own rules. You have proven that.

[JoeG]

Check your bible again Gary. God never called them sodomites. You are lending your own interpretation to the story. You are molding it to fit what you believe is the truth. Paulf is right, you avoid answering questions so you don't have to demonstrate your lack of thought on these issues. You read a book, and believed it blindly. That's not faith, that's a cult. Faith involves critical thinking, constant questioning, and yes even doubt. Even those with the strongest convictions doubt every now and then.

[Gary]

JoeG,

As usual, you are wrong. I have studied this subject very throughly. My conclusions and beliefs are grounded in Scripture.

You, on the other hand, subject God's Word to your own faulty reasoning and reject anything God says that YOU think doesn't make sense to YOU. YOU are your own authority on all matters. Like paulf, you refuse to submit yourself to God.

[paulf]

gary, if you've studied this so thoroughly, it should be easy for you to just answer my damned questions.

Stop stalling.

However, that you think God "called" people "sodomites" kind of demonstrates the opposite.

You are so studious, so you must know there is a passage in the Bible in which God himself explicitly states why he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and it had nothing to do with gay sex, but with the lack of social and economic justice. Quick now, cite me the book, and no googling!

[JoeG]

Gary -
I have to once again agree with paulf here. God never "called" them sodomites. And he is correct about the passage where God specifically mentions the sins of those cities. Homosexuality was nowhere to be mentioned.
As for your drivel about where I got my interpretation, I studied just as intensely as you. Part of my conclusions are grounded in scripture, but many others are also based on history...the part you leave out. I don't randomly interpret passages to mean what I want them to. My interpretaions are just as valid a yours, and quite frankly, many people share my thoughts as well. What makes your interpretation right and mine wrong? Have you directly conversed with God, has he personally given you his golden stamp of approval? If not, you are just as subject to being wrong as I am. The only difference is you will never admit that. That is pride, which is a sin. I find it amazing that you are absolutely, positively never wrong. At least I know and can admit my beliefs are subject to fault, based on the fact that I am a fallible human who can't possibly know the mind of the divine creator. Can you say the same?

[Gary]

JoeG,

Your "interpretations" are wrong because they do not agree with what the Bible says.

The passage to which paulf refers is Ezekial 16:49. But if you continue reading verse 50, you find further charges against Sodom, including "abominations" which refers to their sexual perversion. It is not surprising that a people who were sexually perverted were also guilty of other sins. Also see Jude 7.

If one believes, as I do, that all Scripture is given by God's inspiration, which is what the Bible says, then it is quite reasonable to conclude that whatever is contained in Scripture is from God. God was able to get written exactly what He wanted written. Otherwise, Scripture wouldn't deserve the name.